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Imperial Coercion	Posted - 2006.07.25 19:33:00 - [1] Edited by: Imperial Coercion on 25/07/2006 19:34:30 Originally by: Eximius Josari If the Maelstrom doesnt get 8/7/5 slots, the Abaddon will be up there with the Rokh trying to get my sp. It looks to be a great ship. Funny. While lasers still have retarded fiting requirements combined with em/thermal damage only you wont gank much tbh. Especially not ships with shield boost bonus or ships that have high armour resistance. Caldari drew the longest straw....AGAIN. Meh.
Imperial Coercion	Posted - 2006.07.25 19:44:00 - [2] Originally by: Gonger Edited by: Gonger on 25/07/2006 19:41:41 Edited by: Gonger on 25/07/2006 19:38:31 Let's hope that there will be a following announcement "We're going to remove the cap reduction bonus from all amarr ships, and change laser turrets so that you don't have to give up one of your ship bonuses just to be able to use them!" Honestly, I haven't been in the game for that long(little over 2months), but from what I've seen (small/medium turrets), I haven't seen anything of this allegedly super high damage mod on laser turrets that justifies their ridiculous cap usage or the fact that 90% of amarr ships must sacrifice one of their ship bonuses just to be able to use laser turrets, yet I constantly see people saying that Amarr ships have a much higher damage mod in most of the discussion threads. Are these old crusty veteran types who remember how things used to be back in the day, which no longer reflects current reality? I just feel like I'm missing something here. Bad fitting problems, limited damage types which suffer heavily from EANM tank (everyone these days), damage and tank both draw from the same pool, 90% of our ships give up one of their bonuses just to make our turrets usable. Where's the upside? Lasers used to be the super weapons years back, back then the cap bonus actually served a purpose. But over the years lasers/crystals been nerfed while everyone else got boosted. Thats why we are in the sad state we are in
Imperial Coercion	Posted - 2006.07.25 20:06:00 - [3] Originally by: Tsun Lao Originally by: Dixon Originally by: Mahavy Seth This ship is already broken. Make the math... cap consumption will be absurd... you cannot run a repairer and fire... How overpowered would that ship be without the crazy cap consumtion? I think this ship is the best thing amarr players could ask for... I'm buying one as soon as they get released YEAH THEY HAVE NO REASON TO WHINE, BECAUSE IM SURE THEY GET ENOUGH PG TO FIT SMALL ARMOUR REPAIRER II!!! No need to type in all caps mate. Me personally, I've cancelled my 3 accounts. I just cant be bothered anymore. My main has 25mill sp in amarr, what a waste. I pay to play this game, the least I should demand is that ccp manages to balance their game. Right now I 'love' this game just as much as I loved the bug hell that was castor. 3 years of up and down, pitty it came to this.
Imperial Coercion	Posted - 2006.07.25 20:08:00 - [4] Originally by: Dixon I hope you ppl seriously start selling your characters and go through some therapy. This massive amarr-whining is just getting annoying. You dont even fly Amarr you total troll.
Imperial Coercion	Posted - 2006.07.25 21:05:00 - [5] Originally by: Dixon Edited by: Dixon on 25/07/2006 20:27:27 Edited by: Dixon on 25/07/2006 20:26:58 Originally by: Xendie why anyone would want to use energy weapons on this ship is beyond my comprehension. Well then I have to question your comprehension... The ship has a RoF bonus to ... energy weapons? Now why do all amarr-whiners think they're proving some point by saying that they will fit projectiles on Amarr ships (OH NOES TEH HORROR!!). If you want to put projectiles on this ship, feel free to do so - I don't think it will solve your problems. Now I would like to quote Tuxford, I have highlighted the part that I feel many should read... you know those with bad comprehension. Originally by: Tuxford The most obvious thing about this ship is that it isn't getting any energy weapon capacitor need bonus. The bonuses it is getting however are pretty powerful. It has the option of more damage than an Armageddon or a better tank than an Apocalypse. The problem starts however when it tries to do both at once.Slot wise its gonna have 8 turret hardpoints, 8 high slots and 8 low slots. Whether it has one more slot than the Apocalypse isn't really decided but its quite clear that if it does then it will be a med slot. In other words, it will be doing a better job than the ships that are specifically designed for those roles. Yay for being inventive!
Imperial Coercion	Posted - 2006.07.25 21:15:00 - [6] Originally by: Wodin Drukvik Even if you downrank your weapons(using Dual Heavy Pulse vs. Megapulses on the Apoc) your lasers will still be consuming more cap Artially aside, our cruisers are forced to fit small guns. Now we need medium guns on our new battleship. It all make sense.
Imperial Coercion	Posted - 2006.07.25 21:34:00 - [7] Originally by: Jim McGregor Edited by: Jim McGregor on 25/07/2006 21:26:19 So the Amarr suck eh? Linkage Those graphs are in many cases pointless, I wish they werent used as often. Its like saying 'look how much damage tach geddon can deal' completly ignoring that it cant even fit a rep.
Imperial Coercion	Posted - 2006.07.25 21:35:00 - [8] Originally by: Stamm I'll find a use, somehow, for an Abaddon, so I want to get in one :) Trade runs.
Imperial Coercion	Posted - 2006.07.26 14:46:00 - [9] Originally by: Nyxus Tachyons = 102 cap use per second 1 Cap injector = 55 cap per second Abba + Tachys = 2 cap injectors? As far as tanking, what lasers are you going to fit and be able to tank with the Abba? Mediums? The main problem is the lack of diversity for Amarr. ESPECIALLY in light of the other races getting ships that fill in holes in thier line up. Caldari = Missile BS, EW BS, Turret BS Gallente = Blasterboat, Sniping boat, Droneboat Matari = Mixed weapon BS, Armor tanking bs, Shield tanking bs. Amarr = Rof BS, Capacitor "tanking" bs, rof & tanking BS. Honestly, isn't there anything better for us? Especailly considering that the Abbadon was a fallen angel given dominion over the hordes of demonic scorpion/locusts of the Abyss? Seems like a drone boat to me. And tbh we really could have used a missile bs or a drone bs more than anything at this point. Nyxus Well written brother.
Imperial Coercion	Posted - 2006.07.26 19:19:00 - [10] Originally by: Lo3d3R Now, I for one believe that the people that actually make this will probaly have thought and discussed about it in allot more ways then we on the forums. Sometimes.....it doesnt seam like it.
Imperial Coercion	Posted - 2006.07.27 05:19:00 - [11] Originally by: Woopie Well maybe not with Tachyons/Mega Beams No ship is. Its redicilous.

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